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OK, well cheers all! It's not a great loss: had set up an elderly family friend with Linux but they didn't have any critical files on it - I'll see if I can get a hold of a cheap drive to replace it with for them! Thanks for the advice :D Jon -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html