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(John was having problems withloading wine Kubuntu, I dived in and answered thinking Ubuntu) Hi John Sorry about that, I have switched to KDE and it is different. However I can see Wine in Adept, if you can not it must be a repositories thing. Peter -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html