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this is the one. yes it was £6. http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/108448/rb/26130781685 it came in a white box and all the docs say is "Logitech Quickcam Express". v4l seems to think it's a Logitech Quickcam Express II Part Number: 622866-2914 output from dmesg: (unplugging and replugging) [17196289.660000] usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 3 [17196289.660000] drivers/media/video/spca5xx/spca5xx-main.c: usb_submit_urb() ret -19 [17196289.660000] drivers/media/video/spca5xx/spca5xx-main.c: usb_submit_urb() ret -19 [17196397.580000] usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4 [17196397.776000] usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice [17196397.776000] drivers/media/video/spca5xx/spca5xx-main.c: USB SPCA5XX camera found.Logitech QuickCam Express II(SPCA561A) from lsusb: Bus 001 Device 004: ID 046d:0928 Logitech, Inc. Quickcam Express hope this helps. > It is of interest to me - I spend quite a lot of time fiddling with webcams. > 2 things which would be useful to me, > the vid/pid numbers from the output of dmesg or similar > and the exact name/model number of the cam. > Is this the £6 cam that you ordered? I shall see what the make/model details > are and order a couple for converting to IR. > Mark -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html