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I find ijt are quite good: www.ijtdirect.biz cheaper if you buy several. Then there is the syringe technique; www.jrinkjet.com publish instructions for refilling a wide range of cartridges, including the epson 810. Interesting remark about those tho: "these cartridges have a reprogrammable chip (which tells the printer that it is empty even if you have just refilled it)". Ah but they can sell you a chip resetter. www.cartridgesave.co.uk is another one Good luck. Tony Sumner -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html