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Skypes starting to mess about more: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/18/skype_connection_charge/ VOIP should be easy PC-PC if you know the other ends IP address - firefox has an addin that will tell you your external IP so you should be able to mail or message that to whomever you want to talk to and strike up a VOIP (sans SIP but that should be OK) Has anyone had experience of this? Can you do a simple install of Asterix and do this? Tom te tom te tom -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html