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http://www.mail-abuse.com/cgi-bin/lookup?ip_address=194.217.242.83 robin@thefatcontroller:~$ host 194.217.242.83 83.242.217.194.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer anchor-fallback-96.mail.demon.net. *sigh* So Demon internets out going mail servers are on a RBL, thats just magic. Luckly the company i was sending mails from *was* bouncing spam (but after 5 days) so i got the DSN. -- Robin Cornelius http://www.byteme.org.uk -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html