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Re: [LUG] Ubuntu and freedom?

 

On Thu, 2006-12-07 at 09:06 +0000, Ben Goodger wrote:
> On 07/12/06, Neil Williams <linux@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>         I don't consider wireless to be "basic functionality", neither
>         is 3D nor
>         graphics acceleration nor internal PCI modems.
> 
> If a PCI modem - or indeed a wireless modem - is all you have, then
> it's pretty basic. 
> In these situations the user has a choice between using Linux with the
> non-free driver where available, using Linux without networking or
> using Windows. Since lack of proper support for USB modems kept me
> from Linux for two or three years, I don't see why any normal user
> would tolerate it - they'd likely choose either the first or last
> option. In the last option they're using _all_ proprietary software by
> choice; in the first they're using a whole ton of free software
> (good!) and a single proprietary kernel module which provides access
> to their networking. This should come with the system as it may be
> vital - what shouldn't happen is that NVidia drivers are bundled as
> they are not necessary: 3D is of course not basic functionality and
> the free drivers should be used wherever possible. My point is that
> where not possible, there is an effective choice between proprietary
> drivers and a doorstop for many people. 
> 
> 
>         Ben, what is more political than the proliferation of
>         proprietary
>         software into countries that cannot afford basic healthcare
>         or 
>         sanitation? Why should poor countries not have a free
>         operating system?
>         Why do you support non-free distributors who want to prevent
>         those who
>         cannot use proprietary software from having access to that
>         technology?
> 
> What has this to do with an e.g. American using a proprietary wireless
> driver for the hardware he owns? $IMPOVERISHED_AFRICAN_COUNTRY does
> not have any preexisting hardware and as such is free to choose things
> with free drivers. I'd like the FSF to stop trying to force freedom
> upon me by telling Mr. Shuttleworth to withhold my freedom to use
> hardware I own. 
> 
> 
The problem I believe is that Mr.Shuttleworth is quite probably
infringing on the GPL! 

Sorry after starting the discussion I haven't contributed much - I had a
lot of interesting emails to read this morning though! I think I agree
with Neil: the very idea of proprietary software, kernel blobs etc is
completely against the ideas of the community. It's freedom that lets
our community exist as it is now and I can't help but feel that in some
places we're embarking on a slippery slope (I was reading Ubuntu
planet!). 

I have another question though: why isn't fedora considered a "free"
distribution on the FSF website. I understand why Debian isn't, as it
provides the "non-free" repos but Fedora Project itself doesn't have
anything like this. (I know livna etc but they're separate from the
project).  

Jon



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