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$ dpkg -l | grep -i alsa ii alsa-base 1.0.8-7 ALSA driver configuration files ii alsa-oss 1.0.11-0bpo1 ALSA wrapper for OSS applications ii alsa-utils 1.0.8-4 ALSA utilities ii gnome-alsamixe 0.9.6-1 ALSA sound mixer for GNOME ii gstreamer0.8-a 0.8.8-2 ALSA plugin for GStreamer ii libasound2 1.0.11-2bpo1 ALSA library ii libesd-alsa0 0.2.35-2 Enlightened Sound Daemon (ALSA) - Shared lib ii libwine-alsa 0.0.20050310-1 Windows Emulator (ALSA Sound Module) rc linux-sound-ba 1.0.11-1bpo1 base package for ALSA and OSS sound systems firefox sound fine aplayer fine xmms fine grip playing, oh no How in the name of unholy linux do I get grip to play CDs? Steve -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html