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Thanks for that, just to mention the intention was not to incite anti microsoft flaming, i did not take the comments to mean this, I agree it seems it's just more tolerant, which is not a bad thing, I have the same problem with dvd movies sometimes n(BSOD when there is a scrach), even though not really tried as much under Linux, need to download the latest version of Xine or something I guess. paul -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the message body to unsubscribe.