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hi guys, excellent answer theo - a quick question if i may - how do i quickly check if i have a package installed or not? apt-cache search [package name] just seems to list any package which is in the available list. thanks, kev At 19:11 24/12/2001 +0000, you wrote: > I find your E-mail interesting. I too find the packet > management/upgrades > very difficult. And rhpm almost impossible to come to terms > with. Can you > post further details. Hi Peter, Debian uses a 'dpkg' system, with 'apt' tools (apt-get, apt-cache and others) to manipulate the package database and install/uninstall/upgrade packages. Your system keeps a local list of all packages from remote servers (and any local CD's you have), versions, and their dependancies. You can update this list simply with the command "apt-get update". To update all packages you have installed on your system, do "apt-get upgrade", and it'll download and install the latest versions. To install a new package, its just "apt-get install <packagename>". If you want to find a package name, "apt-cache search <string>" is your friend. It really is as easy as that, I have never had pacakge dependency problems in debian stable, though unstable has a few problems occasionaly. It's probably worth noting if you are new to debian that there are 3 "mainstream" versions, stable, testing, and unstable. They are just as their names suggest ;) Stable is rather outdated now, I can't even use it on servers for the most part, and have to use testing. Unstable is great if you want to live on the bleeding edge, being only 1 or 2 weeks max behind CVS versions. I used to use Redhat, then at around v6.1 descovered Debian over a drink in a pub with a friend in London, went home and investigated. I manged to install it in a drunk state, and picked it up in 1 or 2 days. Within a few months we had migrated *all* our servers over to Debian, and have used only debian since. Trying to manage 16 servers with redhat is a full time job alone just keeping things updated. With debian it is *so* simple. I have so far managed to convert every single linux user to debian, bar one (who is almost there after 6 months of working on him ;)). OTOH, I don't like debian on desktops, I personally recommend Mandrake for it, especially for newbies. Trying to get your head around the debian installer first time could probably be more than nail biting. There are a fair few differences with Debian over most other dists, most notable they are not a commercial company, so have no deadlines, so there are no mess ups like with redhat 7... I've been lurking on this list for a few days, and this is my first post here, so... Hi! I've only recently moved back down to Plymouth from dull grey Swindon and London I was lost the last years. It's nice to be back in the south ;p I'm not really 100% english, so bear with me when my english is sometimes a wee bit odd ;) I'm in plymouth at least 4 or 5 days a week, if any linux freaks want to meet up in plymouth, im usually around, just mail me. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, to you all! Theo Theo Zourzouvillys Global Network Consultant + Notnet Consultancy [ www.notnet.co.uk ] - Specialising in Unix security, ISP Start-up and regeneration, - MySQL solutions, E-commerce, and Load balancing. + Notnet.co.uk - Quality web hosting at an affordable price - http://pinky.notnet.co.uk/ + http://www.anlx.net/ + Mobile: +44 7747 844 300 + theo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx + Personal Website: http://www.zozo.org.uk/ + Spod: telnet://www.trekkers-rest.com:3000/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 12/20/01, 5:18:20 PM, Phil Vossler <P.J.Vossler@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote regarding Me Too!! (was Re: [LUG] Happy Christmas!): > You are not be alone! I also discovered the hard way that MandrakeUpdate > does not successfully perform a kernel update and it has to be done > manually... > have a look at > "http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/security/2001/MDKSA-2001-079-2.php3?dis= 8.1" > guess I should have known better - > On Thursday 20 December 2001 5:02 pm, lee wrote: > > Somewhere in Darkest Cornwall.... er Callington actually! > > > > Ah Mandrake 8.1 ooohh nice... wow whats this? > > Mandrake Update, thats handy! Lets see now.... configure for security > > updates blah,blah yup have some of that. > > > > Oh no whats this !!!Security update for kernel. Thats fairly critical! > > methinks ;) > > > > Oh well here goes (two hours later) Ta da! your update is complete. > > Blimey fab! Hmmm lets just do a re-start just to make sure.... > > > > 3hrs later ,bumper book of linux by sybex, several console sessions and a > > totally stuffed linux system later! > > Arrrgg brilliant update mandrake! Thanks for the helpful easy to use update > > program should carry a health warning! > > > > Oh well time for a reinstall .... again > > > > Merry Christmas all ! > > from Lee, and the Linux for idiots who really should not have advanced pass > > playing nibbles on Dos project! > > > > Aha! got it...... no sorry false alarm. wow armagetron pretty! > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > Phil Vossler Email: ? ?p.j.vossler@xxxxxxxxxxxx > School of Physics??????? ? ? ? ? Tel: ? ? ? 01392 264100 > University of Exeter???? ? ? ? Fax: ? ? ?01392 264111 > -- > The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG > Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the > message body to unsubscribe. -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the message body to unsubscribe.