Re: [LUG] Upgrades to mandrake 7.2 ?

["Ray Smith" <raysmith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Food for thought.

What is the lates version of debian ? The kernel included & the xserver it
uses ?
 Beraing in mind I need to use 4.01

----- Original Message -----
From: kevin bailey <kevin_bailey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [LUG] Upgrades to mandrake 7.2 ?


hi

in my opinion - and i'm going to get stick for this - RPM's are crap.  i
used RH/mandrake months and i tried to upgrade stuff on a mandrake 7.2
and it eventually the dependencies just became too much of a mess.

debian packages are a dream come true.  if i want netscape installed i
just type

apt-get install communicator

and it will either install it from my debian CD or if there is a later
version at ftp.debian.org it will fetch that one instead - even if it
takes a couple of hours it has never gone wrong.  even when the modem
loses the link and redials.

if i want mozilla i type

apt-get install mozilla

before i go to bed and in the morning mozilla is installed.

using icewm means that the programs automatically get an entry added to
the start/programs button.  any dependencies are automatically installed
as well.

here is another one which may cause stick...

debian is the true linux - ouch!  i can't belive i wrote that!! :0)   it
is non-commercial and maintained by hundreds of volenteers.

mandrake/suse/red hat etc are commercial and suffer the problems of being
rushed - and bodged around with.  mandrake produces its own RPM's and
also has a heavily modified kernel.  and they also install tons of
scripts and setup the system services in ways they ASSUME are best for
the majority of users.  you can make it better but the dependency issues
of package A requires package B and package B requires package C and
package C requires package A will get you in the end.

we are all free to choose but i choose debian because i can install a
very basic setup and then carefully add packages as required.  and remove
those packages and all dependencies are taken care of.  the aim is to
have a machine which never requires a reinstall of the OS and this is
currently looking very possible.

for servers slackware is probably the best because it is even more basic
- but very reliable/stable etc.

maybe i missed something crucial about RPM's - but i thought i'd chuck in
my opinion cos it is the result of a couple of years of linux use,

kev


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 12/15/01, 11:59:12 AM, "Ray Smith" <raysmith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote
regarding [LUG] Upgrades to mandrake 7.2 ?:


> I'm running 7.2 Mandrake for one reason. Mandrake 8 and all other
versions
> odf linux with xfree version greater than 4.01 don't work with my ATi
rage
> pro 128 :-(

> I'm very happy with it but of course there's some thing that I don't
have.

Snip >> rest not needed. read earlier post.

Ray


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