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I know cvs etc. are for programming projects, but don't they have some potential? Is there that much difference between html source / cgi scripts etc. and c source files????? I don't think I'm seriously suggesting cvs or rcs, but I wonder what may be around that's based on them. Paul >===== Original Message From Simon Waters <Simon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ===== >Adrian Midgley wrote: >> >> Small company, Internet startup, dispersed but technically Ok albeit mostly >> with Windows. >> >> What does the panel think a groupware solution might be based on? > >Depends what you are trying to achieve. > >Having used Lotus Notes in Windows only and cross platform >environments, I would say it can do most things people want from >groupware, but it wasn't simple or easy to use (This was at a >computer support and consultancy company, and at a group of >extremely able engineers - so the average user was probably more >technically competent than the average Internet startup staff - >mechnical engineers are usually computer gurus, I suspect >computing is more interesting than mechanical engineering ;). > >Good Notes administration makes rocket science look like the >simple application of conservation of momemtum. Mostly >administration was nightmarish as the product had grown over >time, and some times a simple change required pushing related >information into zillions of different places - and why the >security might satisfy the CIA finding an administrator who >actually understands it to that level is next to impossible.... > >>From a technical perspective I was amused by the way Lotus Notes >used time stamp for replication activity without checking if the >two machines even agreed on the decade (Although recovering my >work when this happened was not so amusing). > >A good yard stick to measure your choice by though, but I >wouldn't recommend it unless it has must have features. >Replication is less important these days, when not having an >Internet connection is considered so unfashionable. Replication >was the USP - and I'm assured Exchange never caught up. > >> In another context the Devon local medical committees are looking at Wiki, >> having used FirstClass, then CIX conferencing with Ameol, and I'm much >> impressed but think it is more use for preparing handbook sort of documents, >> and for collaborative authoring, than for the sort of thing Outlook/Exchange >> Server is aimed at. > >Which bits of Outlook/Exchange? > >News (NNTP) servers are quite good for conference/discussion >work and allows correspondents to pick their own favourite >newsreader. It helps if people understand proper Usenet style >etiquette - some news readers do not encourage good netiquette. >The expiry of news articles isn't necessary if you have the disk >space. > >IMAP4 servers allow simple folder sharing of e-mail - I use the >Washington Uni one, although I'm assured that the other free one >scales better. One or two common mail programs don't implement >IMAP4 well, but you can use Netscape Communicator on all >platforms as a minimum free client, you can even fairly safely >wait till said mail programs fail before switching to a.n.other. > >Calendar sharing software should be the easiest stuff in the >world to write, but I've not used a good cross platform tool, >never been asked to find one. Although I have seen some fairly >decent web based tools for this sort of thing, having a little >applet locally to remind you when to do things is vital. iCAL is >the standard to watch according to the mental notes I made. > >Groupware, like Remote User VPN technologies, are underused >technologies. > >I think M$ NetMeeting is great, and I'm amazed Microsoft never >charged for it. Is there some really good free product they were >trying to eliminate from the market that I missed, or did Bill >make a mistake? > > Simon > >-- >Are you using the Internet to best effect ? www.eighth-layer.com >Tel: +44(0)1395 232769 ICQ: 116952768 >Moderated discussion of teleworking at news:uk.business.telework > >-- >The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG >Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the >message body to unsubscribe. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Paul Hewson, Postgraduate Statistics Student (part-time) School of Mathematical Sciences, Laver Building, University of Exeter, North Park Road, EXETER EX4 4QE, U.K. tel: +44 1392 382773 fax: +44 1392 382135 email: P.J.Hewson@xxxxxxxxxxxx -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the message body to unsubscribe.