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Hopefully we'll be looking t arround #200 then. The big questionof course,is answered in their FAQ: Why do you feel TuxBox will succeed where Indrema failed? As this is based on "normal" hardware, any games relased for it will (should) run on my normal linux box> And vice versa? Especially as everything (apart from the decss substiitute and the nvida driver) is open. Might be nice as a DVD/mp3 player, perhaps with a keyboard and ssh for the living room. Just sourcing te development spec from Micrdirect (free delivery for me, well, 10 miles away in a company car wit free petrol) Plus vat fo all prices (in GBP- poundsign isnt working on olib withmy keymap) Motherbard - 55 http://www.microdirect.co.uk/products/motherboards/pcchips810lmr/pcchipsm810lmr.htm CPU - 29 CPU Fan - 5 DVD - 35 (12x samsung) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/products/dvd/samsung/samsung12xdvddrive.htm HDD - (15GB) 52 RAM - 128MB - 12 IRDA - dunno LCD - dunno ($10? - what lcd are they on about!) PSU - they say 90W, so 250W - 14 Geforce2 MX - 60 remote control - dunno case - 19 including the 230W PSU cost: GBP314 inc vat, includes case (with bundled PSU), but not irda, lcd or remote. Heh, might buy one of hese just to ransack it for parts ;) Theirs comes to abou $420, about the same as ours. The final specification, however, is a little different. 7 Crush Base motherboard 7 AMD Duron 750 MHZ CPU 7 Slim Line DVD 5X 7 Notebook size 2.5? 6.4 Gigabyte hard disk 7 128 MB Shared DDR RAM 7 LCD Display 7 IRDA connetor Still norml x86 Hardware though - and ddr ram (another 10GBP). They are goin to have t get some pretty big discounts for this stuff. And their case had betterbe good too. The obvious question is why would we want to replace/suplement our PC's with a console with the same hardware. the PS2 has SGI like hardware, and with linux on it, can outperform a equivelent priced PC by a lot. Lets just hope that the games are interchangable anyway. I will reserve judgment, yet retire hopeful (althogh downtrodden fromlokis chapter 11 today) -- Paul Weaver p.j.weaver@xxxxxxxx 12 Manston Road, Exeter "The best way to accelerate a windows box is at 9.8 meters per second square." -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the message body to unsubscribe.