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Re: [LUG] New Linux user in Fowey Cornwall

 

On 18/10/2021 19:40, Grant Phillips-Sewell wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021, 19:13 maceion@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:maceion@xxxxxxxxx>,
> <maceion@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:maceion@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> 
>     On 18/10/2021 18:51, comrade meowski wrote:
>     > On 18/10/2021 18:31, Michael Everitt wrote:
>     >> On 18/10/2021 18:28, Paul Sutton via list wrote:
>     >>> Hi All
>     >>>
>     >>> I had an e-mail from a potential new Linux / Free software user in
>     >>> Cornwall, she
>     >>> hasn't started with it yet, but I did suggest starting off with
>     >>> LinuxMint as it
>     >>> seems to 'just work'.  Plus for new users it is pretty easy to use,
>     >>> has good
>     >>> support (forum,irc etc) as well as a strong user base.
>     >>>
>     >>> I just wondered if anyone in that area would be able to provide some
>     >>> install help
>     >>> please.  I know the install guide is at
>     >>>
>     >>> https://linuxmint-installation-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
>     <https://linuxmint-installation-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/>
>     >>>
>     >>> But I don't know much about this EFI/UEFI thing. So if that needs
>     >>> disabling or
>     >>> whatever you do. I can't help with that.
>     >>>
>     >>> Once it is installed myself and others can try and provide some
>     >>> support remotely.
>     >>>
>     >>> If anyone can respond who is local to Fowey, I can put you in touch.
>     >>>
>     >>> Thanks
>     >>>
>     >>> Paul
>     >> How far into Cornwall - we have the Plymouth LUG approaching ...
>     >>
>     >> EFI should be mostly covered by the Mint installation procedure,
>     >> although, getting to
>     >> boot a non-native install media could be tricky. Who's conversant
>     with
>     >> the latest
>     >> Windoze tom-foolery?!
>     >>
>     >> Cheers,
>     >> veremitz/Michael.
>     >>
>     >>
>     >
>     >
>     > EFI has got nothing to do with Windows... it's just the modern
>     > replacement for crappy old BIOS firmware and has actually been the
>     > standard on all new PCs for well over a decade. The last thing anyone
>     > wants to do is turn it off and willingly go back to prehistoric
>     firmware
>     > literally from the last century...
>     >
>     > It gets confused a lot with Secure Boot which is part of the UEFI
>     spec:
>     > that's the bit which mandates the system boots from a signed
>     > installation image and nothing more. You can be the person who signed
>     > that image if you set it up that way but more normally and in the
>     > default state it will indeed trust a valid Microsoft signature. All of
>     > this is optional and can be disabled but even that's not necessary as
>     > most of the sensible Linux distros have had support for Support
>     Boot as
>     > well for ages. Mint for example has supported the default installer
>     > image booting with Secure Boot on since 19.1 a couple of years ago so
>     > there won't be any problems. Unless you're mixing in an Nvidia CPU as
>     > well in which case there will be problems but that's because of
>     > complicated Linux kernel tainting issues and is actually a
>     Linux/Nvidia
>     > problem, not a Secure Boot problem.
>     >
>     > So in short, any newish system probably shipped with EFI on and Secure
>     > Boot enabled by default. As long as you're not using Nvidia and are
>     > using a mainstream friendly distro like Mint, Debian, Ubuntu,
>     Fedora etc
>     > everything will work just fine left like that. Loads of distros eschew
>     > Secure Boot though, probably more than support it: off the top of my
>     > head Gentoo, Arch, Devuan, Void and NixOS don't.
>     >
>     > The new users biggest problem will probably be backing up and
>     preserving
>     > her stuff from Windows if there's a pre-existing install. It's fine to
>     > re-partition the laptop's sole disk to make room for the Linux
>     system if
>     > she wants to keep Windows around for dual booting but don't try and
>     > re-partition the disk if it's been bitlockered: the Mint installer
>     > should refuse to even try but if it does there will be tears.
>     Bitlocker
>     > has been enabled by default for years on Windows so if
>     repartitioning is
>     > involved make sure whoever walks her through the install checks...
>     >
> 
>     PLEASE, PLEASE
>     Install Linux Mint on an *External USB Drive* with GRUB on the external
>     USD Drive.
>     It is much safer for a newbie than a 'dual single hard disc boot"
> 
>     This preserves her Windows machine as Windows (It owns that internal
>     hard drive)
>     When she  boots with the *external USB hard Drive* plugged in she has an
>     independent Linux system.
> 
>     I use this for all my old pupils! (Xubuntu for lite use) (Mint for some
>     depends on the RAM they have and age of machine)
>     Big advantage they preserve and can go back to their Windows machines if
>     wanted.
> 
>     PS This is how I have ben running my own machines since about 2006.
>     Only the Vista era ones have had Windows removed and Linux installed to
>     internal drive, BUT they all have Knoppix USB key available as
>     alternative OS.
>     -- 
>     Regards
>     Eion MacDonald
> 
>      
> 
> 
> No. If I am helping then I will discuss the options available to her,
> the pros and cons of each option, and leave the decision as to which
> approach is best for her... to her!
> 
> I have been multibooting Linux weigh other systems since 1999, on x86
> x64, and briefly PPC (both Old World and New World). Partitioning,
> slicing, and bootloaders is not unfamiliar territory.
> 
> Please understand that just because you find an approach the best FOR
> YOU this does not mean it is the best approach for everyone.
> 
> Grant. :|
> 

Point taken.

-- 
regards
Eion MacDonald

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