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Re: [LUG] Jessie was Re: Best linux distro for home file server

 

On 26 Apr 2015, at 17:25, Simon Waters <simon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On 2015-04-26 10:50, Brad Rogers wrote:
>> FYI, Jessie has just been released, and will have LTS (at least 5 years).
> Squeeze is ancient history, but I think a lot of folk have got a bit laid back 
> (myself included), as the years roll by quickly.
> 
> There is an arrangement for long term security support for Squeeze, but I don't 
> think these are really viable on ANY distro.
> 
> There are security issues that do not, or can not, be addressed in older software 
> with just back porting small fixes, and the priority almost invariably drops as 
> the code varies further and further from the current maintained version.
> 
> I too am guilty of fixing bugs only to discover a long time afterwards that it was 
> also a security relevant bug. Heck colleague just released an open source product 
> update with 3 obvious security fixes but only 2 CVE numbers assigned, it happens. 
> But a bunch of the other fixes in that release concerned an authentication step, 
> very likely that security bugs in this were fixed, probably inadvertently. If this 
> code were packaged in Debian my guess is the maintainer would end up doing more 
> work than the developers if they tried to avoid simply updating it.
> 
> Even trying to backport fixes to older releases may be a mistake in that it 
> encourages people to put too less effort into maintenance, whilst running software 
> that often lacks modern security controls.
> 
> Good example - default PHP on RHEL 6 was 5.3 - no really.
> 
> So does it matter if a lot of people offer PHP 5.3? Yes because proper password 
> hashing was introduced into PHP in 5.4, and other security features were added, 
> whilst key bad practices were removed, or deprecated. The back porting cements in 
> suboptimal habits or forces coding for specific versions increasing complexity. 
> Redhat ended up with  3 versions of PHP on RHEL 6, and we are talking about a 
> company that accidentally left some key security fixes out of RHEL 7 (whoops), so 
> you really want them supporting 3 versions of PHP on 2 versions of RHEL, when they 
> are struggling with one version of some Internet facing software?
> 
> Another example is TLS support, the older distros were shipping with openssl 
> supporting SSL2, SSL3 and TLS 1.0. Now SSL2 and SSL3 are considered broken, so you 
> only have TLS 1.0 left. Next bad bug in OpenSSL, and they'll have to upgrade the 
> whole stack, or further fork the code (and maybe standard), to keep things secure.
> 
> Debian 8 (Jessie) and Ubuntu 15.4, both fine choices for the month of April. I 
> have Jessie installing in a terminal window behind this one as I type, and a 
> virtualbox in another window for testing another Jessie upgrade.
> 
> Ultimately people are looking to stand still (for good business reasons), in an 
> environment in which the software is less secure than it needs to be to meet the 
> threats it faces. Whilst it is possible to constrain the threat with depth, 
> isolation of service, firewalls, intrusion prevention, if you have the money and 
> time to do all that you probably also have the motivation to maintain all your 
> software anyway, most people are doing very little of the depth type stuff, and 
> hoping the software will work some sort of magic.
> 
> 

all very valid points, but the guy just wants a local non internet facing file 
server that works. Form my POV the trade off is actually documentation related.  
When your new cutting/bleeding edge is a pain in the ass, options and new ways to do 
stuff don't tend to hit the mainstream documentation and blogs for a few months. 
(especially when you don't know where to look yet)

Where as a slightly older stable, LTS version with an abundance of documentation is 
a great place to start learning. 

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