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On 25/06/13 19:32, tom wrote: > Presumably if you play with win8 you wont be able to claim a refund? > Tom te tom t etom > See previous posts on this issue: consensus seems to be that it's simply not worth the effort anyway, unless you value your time at £2/hour (that's certainly my opinion). I think Neil was saying that even if you get a no-OS laptop, it will still probably come with Win8 on it anyway in 30 day trial mode (maybe so it can be tested in the warehouse before shipping it?). Here you didn't pay for it in the first place, so you certainly won't get a refund either, you'll just blow it away when you're done and install whatever you fancy. Legally, I'm not 100% sure how it's supposed to work but it probably gets confusing with issues such as the click-through license (Garrett has talked about this, Win8 on a new machine will often force you to agree to the click-through on first boot before you can get into msconfig, disable it's fast hibernate feature and then trigger a full cold reboot to get into the UEFI and change your settings like disabling secureboot). However, I'm not a lawyer and have almost utter contempt and disregard for bullshit legal trickery like this - I routinely just ignore it as unjust, regardless of it's actual technical legality, and proceed to do whatever the hell I feel like with my own stuff. Funnily enough I also utterly disregard any dire warnings about software I need potentially not being legal in my country: if I want to use media codecs, sidestep the DMCA, install decompilers, ignore DVDCSS/bluray content protection flags or use encryption tools considerably stronger than GCHQ/NSA may like then I bloody well and that's that. So yeah, basically I think I'm saying that my cavalier disregard of dodgy licensing rules and total lack of legal training make me hopelessly unqualified to give you a proper answer :] Regards -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq