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*Any* system can be secured. Admittedly, I do personally find Linux much easier to reliably lock down but Windows isn't the pile of crap most people on this list seem to like to think it is. Regards So This is what I am trying to get across, if you say Windows Sucks you have to provide a reason and evidence to back up your arguments, now if you say you prefer Linux because you find it easier to lock down, then that is a good argument, if you say you prefer Linux systems as configuration is stored in editable text files which means recovery is easier then that is another argument, you don't need to then go on to say how the windows registry makes this harder, or very difficult if the registry gets borked. If you say you prefer Linux because of the freedoms the philosophy offers there are many examples I guess. Focus on Why Linux is good and does a good job, saying windows sucks will probably be more of a negative against using Linux, Linux is good on clusters as the source code can be modified . optimized and tweaked to requirement, . if someone brings and they stick to their guns, give up and try someone else as life is way to short . so if we can come up with a few examples I can paste to the site it would be good, esp when we have to explain what Linux is and why it is different, having a well written resource would just make it easier for those of us who struggle a bit to explain. Would be good for software freedom day or helping new users understand the whole concept. Paul -- -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.linkedin.com/pub/paul-sutton/36/595/911 I am committed to safeguarding children, young people and vulnerable groups and expect any school or establishment I am involved with to share this commitment. -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq