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At the risk of wandering off on a tangent I saw a claim many years back that most MTAs handle 8bit fine, so all that 7bit escaping is just so much bloat. Anyone tested this? But yes, kludge after kludge, but on the otherhand it survives - first mover advantage and network effect? It is in a better state that the www in my opinion. -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq