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On 16/01/12 13:02, tom wrote: > On 16/01/12 12:17, Gordon Henderson wrote: >> On Mon, 16 Jan 2012, Grant Phillips-Sewell wrote: >> >>> On Jan 16, 2012 11:18 AM, "Kai Hendry" <hendry@xxxxxx> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 16 January 2012 18:04, tom <tompotts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>> No - its not just a toy - its a small compact computer. As such >>>>> you can >>> do >>>>> just about anything with it. >>>> >>>> Except browse and use it as a Webcam controller for example. >>>> >>>>> 256 M Ram was quite common on a lot of usable low end android >>>>> devices. >>>> >>>> I think most people will go for the 128M option. Probably by the time >>>> Rasberry PI is delivered, the Iphone 5 will have 1G of RAM. >>>> >>>>> It might not run badly written bloatware but the CPU is around 1000 >>> times >>>>> more powerful than the old DEC machine I used to use with 20 other >>> engineers >>>>> and 130 secretaries on 1 meg of ram. And its got a gpu too.... >>>> >>>> My thinkpad has a GPU which fails to render any 3D. :} >>>> >>>> >>>> If you want to tackle bloatware, don't run http://linuxmint.com/ In >>>> fact think of shunning any GNU and Linux altogether for a BSD flavour. >>> >>> I find it quite amusing, all this talk of the Raspberry being too low >>> powered to do anything serious on the desktop. You are kidding, >>> right? Are >>> websites, sans-Flash, really any bigger and requiring of more RAM or >>> processing than only a few years ago? >> >> Yes. And it's not all flash either - javascript, web 2.0reah, html5 >> and all that... >> >> Read a report recently that suggests the average web page is >> approaching 1MB of data transfered. here it is: >> >> http://www.extremetech.com/computing/110099-the-web-in-2011-html5-dominates-flash-trouble-for-data-capped-mobile-surfers >> >> >> or >> >> http://url.drogon.net/0p >> >> Not only that, but there's the proliferation of "tracker" type links >> people are putting on a page... >> >> e.g. that page at extremetech.com has 16 trackers attached to it - so >> that's 16 more requests (and little bits of javascript to download >> and execute, exchanging cookies, etc.) your browser needs to make >> just to complete the page rendering. >> >> Gordon >> > I just tried gnome3 on my new laptop - sluggish and irritating. > Now run lxde - runs like a dream. Seems to do everything that I asked > gnome3 to do only a lot lot faster. > I have a 1500Mhz machine the kids are using - upgraded to Ubu11.04 > kids winged like crazy - put XFCE as the default desktop and they're > happy as larry - and I can run Netbeans/Apache/MySQL and debug php > pages on it comfortably. > I think the RaspberryPi with LXDE or similar on it will put the fear > of Stallman up a lot of people if we can get kids learning on it - > thought the fact it will play HDMI video is a problem. > Tom te tom te tom > Looking that the bbc article with the video i think it had lxde on the screen, with fedora ARM. there were issues running ubuntu on it due to the ARM port, however i see it this way, It gives Linux consumer exposure, we keep hearing this is the year of the Linux desktop, perhaps it will be, but not in the way we expect. What will be needed is forward thinking people like us to show our support, those lug members with kids, if they get one and like it, they will show their friends, who will hopefully get one and show their friends, and small groups will form around this, which will grow in to larger groups, if the experience on the PI is good, then perhaps they will look in to Linux. There is a commercial game called Oil rush out, with a Linux port, so things are moving, perhaps slowly but at least they are moving. Lets stay positive. :) Paul -- -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.ubuntu.com skype : psutton111 -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq