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OT but its always a good topic here :-) What do/can you do if some one patents something that you have been making for a long time before the patent was granted? In this case the patent was granted a few years a go now but the claims describe something that we have done, and ourselves and others have published scientific papers (IEEE and others) so there is no shortage of prior art. In this case its a patent of a hardware system and truth be told, the individual components of the system are trivial and obvious to anyone in the field. It appears in the patent search report, that only EPO and World patents were searched before granting? how the hell can this be right what about scientific papers etc. This implys if its not in the patent database its patatantable? (or at least the examiners will grant it). So what does this boil down to? if they are bigger than us and can afford better lawyers than us we get stomped all over? Arrrgggg Robin -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html