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Energy cost lives Highest death toll is conventional coal stations in mining accidents with high illness rate in dust illness in coal industry and transport and generation station coal crush to "dust" to burn. Second highest is Oil industry toll in accidents on recovery and few in refinery, little in generating stations Wind power claims a few lives per year (one in UK in last two months) solar (very heavy on chemicals and power use in construction) Nuclear - almost no deaths in West(where reactors correctly designed ) - Chernobyl was one of 143 reactors without any triple shielding to save costs in SU, and that accident is almost total nuclear power life cost. As one with Comecon dealings, it made me weep, but great admiration for KGB general who saved lots of us by sacrificing his regiments and himself) You need to factor in a lot of things to get an environmental balance Not just power to construct/decommission Regards Eion MacDonald (eionmac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Tel. +44 (0) 1925762873 Unencrypted electronic mail is not secure and may not be authentic. If you have any doubts as to the contents please telephone to confirm. James Fidell wrote: > Simon Williams wrote: >> Adrian Midgley wrote: >>> Simon Williams wrote: >>>> Wind farms are negative energy. They cost far more in energy to build >>>> and maintain than they will ever produce in their lifetime. >>> I don't think that is correct. >>> >>> Flour used to be produced by them, and machines run. >> Fine for motion, but like solar panels, trying to generate electricity >> efficiently becomes an issue. Usually the chemicals required to do so >> are enough to outweigh any environmental savings, and these turbines >> spin faster and are much bigger than mills. > > Are there any published figures for how much energy it takes to produce > electricity from a conventional power station? Obviously they should > include development, finding sources of fuel, drilling/mining, building > pipelines/railway lines, the costs of employing all the people involved, > eventual decommisioning? Same for nuclear power stations? > > Might be an enlightening read. > > James > -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html