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I'm sure Neil Williams has thought this out carefully, but on his scheme (i.e. mysqladmin password blank) what exactly stops some awkward person from running mysqladmin drop <some-vital-database> ? -- John Palmer Preston near Weymouth, Dorset, England e-mail: johnp@xxxxxxxxxx (plain text preferred) website: http://www.palmyra.uklinux.net/ -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the message body to unsubscribe. FAQ: www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html