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Hi Samuel Not sure what "A" means. I should have realised that open source stuff is not nearly so important as parking access problems or such like! However another take on the situation is at ... http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/features/article.php/12297_3866316_1/Bruce-Perens-Inside-Open-Sources-Historic-Victory.htm All the best Peter L-J -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html