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The thread was getting a bit messy because I was not using plain text so I have edited it a bit. I don't think I've taken anyone out of context too much. Simon wrote; "Be useful if you could do some basic checks before and after it connects, to see if it is getting an IP address ("ip addr list" or "/sbin/ifconfig" at a shell), setting DNS servers ("cat /etc/resolv.conf"), or changing routing ("netstat -nr"). " This is 'il addr list' when connected by wire; ubuntu:/home/jondavey# ip addr list 1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 16436 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00 inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo inet6 ::1/128 scope host valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever 2: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP qlen 1000 link/ether 00:a0:d1:6b:b0:80 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff inet 192.168.1.65/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global eth0 inet6 fe80::2a0:d1ff:fe6b:b080/64 scope link valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever 3: wmaster0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc ieee80211 state UNKNOWN qlen 1000 link/ieee802.11 00:16:e3:d0:d9:34 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 4: wlan0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state DOWN qlen 1000 link/ether 00:16:e3:d0:d9:34 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff ubuntu:/home/jondavey# This is 'cat/etc/resolv.conf' ; ubuntu:/home/jondavey# cat/etc/resolv.conf bash: cat/etc/resolv.conf: No such file or directory ubuntu:/home/jondavey# This is 'netstat -nr'; ubuntu:/home/jondavey# netstat -nr Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.254 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 ubuntu:/home/jondavey# ...I'm not sure why I have ubuntu as the name of the system there? I have gone into the router, as suggested, and have changed the defult password. I could see there that 'ubuntu' was listed in 'My Connections' as an Eithernet connection and I am using WPA & WPA2 security with a WPA-PSK Encryption Key. I have downloaded the 'wireless Windows Drivers' using Synaptic and any aplications I thought might help. It was suggested that the eithernet hardware I have is an Intel Pro/Wireless 3945 ABG howvere in the device manager it lists a-PRO/100 VE Network Connection. Not sure if this is significant?... ...and that is as much as I know at the moment. Rob wrote; One thing I've come across in the past with wireless is if you use a key under 8 characters then sometimes it'll connect but not actually pick the network up properly (not pick up an IP address etc) or not connect at all. I've seen this on Ubuntu and Windows before. Although saying that it should be a case that the Home Hub has a predefined key which is long enough. When I enter the key, if it isn't the right length I don't get the option to connect. THe button isn't iluminated so it has to be the right length. I was a bit confused by this actually but as long as I stipulated the right security type the key length matched. If anyone is still interested and can suggest any more info I might be able to provide or if anything needs clarifying please let me know. Cheers, JOn -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html