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Hi I have manually made a deb file for Ubuntu (Give the boy a pat on the back) (and thanks for the advice). I think it broke all the rules but having made it on my lappy and transferring it to my test machine I could run a train! Part of my problem is (I think) that most instructions are aimed at compiling from C. Obviously JMRI uses Java. Though I occasionally compile my own version (when asked to by the developers or when I am impatient to get a new feature) I normally just download the tarball. What I did do, and intend doing, is building a directory branch in my home folder, and then use comman tools to build when I have it populated correctly. (ar and tar). However my first of many questions, could some one give me a pointer to how I get items on the Application Menu. I think I can do it by putting "stuff" in /usr/share/applications and /usr/share/application-registry but am not sure if that is the "official way". Google has not been my friend and I am relying on "The Debian System, Concepts and Techniques", Martin F. Kraft. Thanks in advance Peter -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html