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tom wrote: > > Not all web developers have gone insane We have at work. Although it is worth commenting that I've seen otherwise quite decent sites thrown to the wolves by a little bit of badly done 3rd party Javascript. Indeed in the last couple of week I've seen three sites broken by including Google analytics code (trying to ignore that slow page loads when GA insists on refreshing the code). No doubt not strictly the GA codes fault, but lack of name space isolation probably the issue. Equally there are some really bad advert providers. I think many of these fall down for the same reason, they absolutely insist on a non-cache-able something so they get accurate figures. But as they scale the slow performance isn't on their websites, so they have less incentive to improve things unless and until people notice and drop their code from their sites. We forget how fantastically fast modern computers are. It is quite possible to have many thousands of lines of Javascript delivered and run in a web page with little ill effect on load times. But the more they stuff in the more likely they are to pick up some less than optimal code. -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html