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I seem to have an odd issue with x, but its 3d hardware related or something I have installed the codeweavers crossover application if I select install a windows game, from the kde menu system, it works fine, i get a splash screen for a few seconds, (if you install the program you will know the one I mean) I then get a blank screen, with lots of coloured boxes on it, so at this point the display looks rather corrupted, after which I am back to my x login screen, using kdm, as I am running kde. If I use console apps like infobash, which is like uname -a but gives info on graphics hardware, the same thing happens, x restarts, so its as if its sending ctrl-alt-backspace to the system. I am at a loss, it did this in etch, and the issue has not gone away. anyone else had similar issues, before i start reinstalling stuff (like nvidia drivers etc) I can run simple kde games no problem, its the more complex stuff that won't run, so thats stuff using openGL and I assume some of the better features of the Nvidia card. geforce 4 thanks Paul -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html