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Hi Just a brief note to thank all who tried to help my wireless on Thursday. I have taken the easy way out and reinstalled Ubuntu! I then loaded KNetworkManager and its all working fine. (Well have still to look at the internal "steam" Modem). As was remarked at the meeting I had either something corrupt, or a clash over resources. On a slightly different track, I have mentioned this before, but if we have a meeting of less than half a dozen one could conduct it at someones home. I could run broadband down to the lounge, then I need only find the power supply for the spare hub! I live between Tavistock and Plymouth, nr Yelverton. Peter -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html