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i dont know if anyone is interested but i do go to a computer user group most tuesday evenings so if any of you wish to visit you would be more than welcome to pop in and say hi here's the link to the web site http://www.shcug.org.uk/ Rob -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the message body to unsubscribe. FAQ: www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html