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On Monday 27 September 2004 11:51, M.Blackmore wrote: laptops aren't desktops.... one of things that is so obvious it actually does need to be said.# laptop batteries wear out (nowt in a desktop wears out except perhaps fans) laptops have TFT's which have a fixed native resolution which is the only resolution the look good at (admittedly this is less of an issue in linux than windows) laptops have proprietary hardware, anything does not fit everything laptops perform weakly compared to desktops. ok, for many applications these issues are not issues, however they might be. mac laptops aren't actually built to the quality you might think, but the more recent os is great, but I have to question whether a linux nerd will be happy with a mac, which is a different animal theologically. go the second hand route, more than fast enough for the things that laptops are any use for anyway, can recommend paul dirkin at itdealers, hes a good guy and his stuff is properly refurbished and excellent value for money http://www.itdealers.co.uk/catalog/index.php/cPath/27_41 HTH etc cheers -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the message body to unsubscribe.