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Re: [LUG] OT help request



Jon Lawrence wrote:
On Tuesday 13 January 2004 8:17 am, Neil Williams wrote:

On Monday 12 Jan 2004 10:37 pm, Jon Lawrence wrote:

I'm on eclipse and I see what I think is an odd route to 82.145.32.65
it's considerably different to the route to 82.145.32.2 even though it
must go through the .2 address to get there.

Looks cool from my Demon SDU.

Yes. Isn't this a feature of TCP/IP redundancy? You never can tell which
route packets will take? 

True - worse the way back can be different from the way forward - so
traceroute presents at best a simplified picture of reality.

But Internet routing is pretty stable in the sense if Demon are routing
transatlantic traffic via one carrier today they'll probably be using
the same carrier in 10 seconds time. It is generally a very bad sign if
packets frequently switch the route they are taking.

A way of avoiding bottlenecks instead of getting
stuck. There are usually many available routes between any two points.

Evil rumour - whilst IP protocol might support that the Internet
structure is brittle and with lots of branches being broken off by small
problems (the bigger stuff run by the big carriers does have more
redundancy but you have to get there first). There was a great article
on analysing the structure of Internet routing in Scientific American a
year or two ago.

The issue is money - bandwidth is expensive - so letting someone else
use yours because his is bust disadvantages your users - so it only
happens by agreement or by paying.

IP was designed for military networks where ultimately it was all under
one (or a few) administrative command, and the vast majority of the
nodes are reasonably expected to be friendly and co-operative. So
nothing like it's current status at all.

It is a feature of BGP routing.  However, my packets always seem to go via the 
same routes and those routes don't make sense. Neil, the routes taken from 
your machine are almost the opposite to mine. Looks to me like eclipse have 3 
or more routes with the same metrics defined - arghh. Going via the US really 
screws up my voip.

Do we have anyone who does BGP routing related stuff fulltime? - my
experience is Internet routing people often live their own little lives
- just doing routing. The nice folks at NANOG can probably explain what
you are seeing (although technically off topic), whether they can
explain what to do about it to Eclipse is another question.

[root@xxxxxx /root]# traceroute 82.145.32.65
traceroute to 82.145.32.65 (82.145.32.65), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1  anchor-du-17.access.demon.net (195.173.57.17)  65.878 ms  89.521 ms
78.400
ms
2  anchor-core-21-fxp3.router.demon.net (195.173.57.251)  69.277 ms
70.498 ms
68.948 ms
3  anchor-border-1-4-0-2-3.router.demon.net (158.152.0.185)  67.837 ms
88.050
ms  79.228 ms
4  linx1.teleglobe.net (195.66.224.51)  77.511 ms  89.757 ms  81.288 ms
5  if-0-0-0.bb2.London.Teleglobe.net (195.219.96.81)  75.686 ms  89.429
ms  78.876 ms
6  ix-3-1-0-822.bb2.London.Teleglobe.net (195.219.2.34)  98.120 ms
109.532 ms
98.939 ms
7  wi2.westloc.com (82.145.32.2)  97.934 ms  109.961 ms  98.754 ms
8  wc3-2.westloc.com (82.145.32.65)  98.339 ms  99.502 ms  108.331 ms

32.2 is one hop shorter - nothing odd from here.

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