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ok here's a little ditty for people to ponder over i can upload to my ftp box but the files are not visible to my ftp client ( cuteftp on windows) once uploaded however if i telnet into the box they are , ,i would like all users to be able to see those files but not alter them , i have checked permissions on theose files and they seam ok so i guess it must be somthing in the ftp servers config that needs setting in some way Rob -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the message body to unsubscribe.