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Re: [LUG] Open Source and Patents First Draft



Thanks for your input comments below

Cheers Rick

Simon Waters wrote:

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Rick Timmis wrote:


software developers, whilst this mechanism has not been vastly effective
in preventing software piracy.



I think this is a red herring as far as this discussion goes. In the Western industrial nations software copyright has been largely respected by corporate users, and is enforced by industry bodies.

Commercial software piracy I don't think is big business around Europe,
as in people knocking out CD's for sale like they do in Singapore say.
Whether corporate users respect copyright once they have bought a copy
is harder to assess, although Microsoft seem to be doing okay on the
proceeds so let us assume things aren't that bad.



Clearly corporate software developers need mechanisms by which they can
protect there R&D investments and ensure that their is a level playing
field in the market place. Equally the Open Source community must be
considered in this complex equation. Both the OSS community and
corporate developers offer to facilitate users and business alike, with
their software and systems. Protecting the OSS community will ensure
that corporate developers continue to develop software that offers added
value that warrants the proprietory licenses and associated cost, and
will ensure that global business has greater choice in selecting
software appropriate to its requirements.



I think the Hawkings reference is kind of odd, perhaps drop it, expand why the benefits of the Internet result from free software, as suggested else where.

This reference is designed to implicate the level of technological advancement that Linux / OSS has reached and also to show how its continued use will only further encourage advances in technololgy. Point about Internet from yourself and Adrian has been appended to Doc for structuring into the argument later


*** Experience suggests best to leave proof reading type changes till we are happy with the structure of the argument, group proof reading is great, but do it last! ***

Completely agree.


RMS would ask what's all this "Open Source software", he is a "Free Software" man....

Is there any mileage in asking if a compelling case has been made that
software patents would be good for the economy (bit like the 5 tests for
the euro). My guess is they won't, and I suspect you can quickly Google
up the relevant references.

The argument could be read as suggesting we want a right to cheap
derivatives, but patents cut right at the heart of data formats, making
it impossible to release software for interoperability, even though this
right was enshrined in European law already. Examples would be MP3, and
GIF (although Unisys eventually dropped their patent rights, realising
that the bad Karma of enforcing some patents, especialy i you haven't
been actively pursuing it, is worse for you than the benefits of the
money generated).

Quite a lot of free software is innovative, think web browsers, web
servers, MTA's. Indeed almost all major Internet protocols owe their
success to "free" implementations. If everyone had to pay CERN 30USD for
a web browser or server who woud have bought the first one? Okay
excluding particle physicists after CERNs research data ;-)

This goes back to the arguments for "open systems", you can't have cheap
interoperable open systems if components of the hierarchy require
licences. The best you can hope for with patents is that if they become
part of a standard or format that the patent rights are waved, which I
think is basically what the W3C came to.

It may well be that software patents become in effect useless as a
result of the need to build software cathedrals, where the licencing
rules become too painful. But I'd rather not take that risk, and slow
down progress in IT, to find out if that happens or not.
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