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Thanks everyone, still stuck and don't really want to use another method (must make friendly apps). You can return decimals quite easily using the following (++) function: void get_ascii (void) { int key; do { key = getch (); cout << "\n" << key;} while (key != '\33'); //escape } but that returns (example) 0 72 for up - what's all that about anyway? -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the message body to unsubscribe.